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Adultery is not abuse, and women don't lie?

The BBC and other news organizations lend themselves to promote a feminist anti-male propaganda campaign

According to a British social "research" organization, adultery by men, and abuse, are primary causes of divorce.
   If you believe that, then you will very possibly also believe that the moon is made out of green cheese.

The following is from a discussion that resulted from a BBC News article on the causes of divorce.

Thank you.  That one never made the headlines; and I bet that their sex lives is the only thing that women ever lie about.  Any takers?  Ha, ha, ha...

The New Scientist article you provided exposes the current BBC News article as a piece of propagandistic hype.  It identifies that women are just as likely as men are to philander; and that makes sense.

The researchers think the results explain the previously reported differences in men and women's sexual behaviour, with women being afraid of getting labelled as "whores".

"We live in a culture that really does expect a different pattern of sexual behaviour from women than it does from men," says Fisher. Full Story

Being labelled a whore is not a good thing, even if well-deserved, but to lie to prevent that from happening is all right, I guess.  Regardless of what it is and how bad it is, there always must be an excuse for women's behaviour; and if that fails we can point the finger at men and blame them.  However, the article in the New Scientist identified another thing.  Women freely lie if they believe they can get away with lying.  That is quite possibly not true of all women, but it is true of a far greater number of women than it is of men.  As the item from the Family Research Institute (quoted just a few paragraphs down) shows, in at least one area of concern women are at the very least 22 times more likely to lie than men are.

It looks as if the BBC News and other news organizations got duped with the assertion that men are three times more likely to philander than women are.  Of course, the reality of that is that is far more likely that the BBC did not get duped but is instead trying to dupe its viewers, which is something it has a history of consistently doing very well

There are more female than male prostitutes but not enough of them to account for the vastly greater amount of philandering that men are alleged by the feminist-dominated and -controlled media to engage in.  As I implied before in not so uncertain terms, those prostitutes would not humanly be capable of coping with the business that would be coming their way.  If women were truly as chaste as the feminists would have us believe, men would not find any women to philander with nor would there be so many women prostitutes.

But it seems to me that reality caught women in many other lies. To begin with:

"I take thee to be my lawful wedded Husband, to have and to hold, from this day forward, for better or worse, in sickness and in health, for richer for poorer, to love, honor, and cherish you all the days of our lives, keeping myself only unto you for as long as we both shall live."

The reality of that one is:

Fathers not ones to seek divorce
(mothers initiate divorce at high & rising rate):

Of non-joint applications:

Year:

1991199219931994
Wife makes application72.75%72.47%73.42%74.05%

Or for a more complete view (all applications):  

Year:

1991199219931994
Husband makes application

25.77%

25.37%

24.55%

23.87%

Wife makes application

67.85%

67.74%

67.82%

68.10%

Joint Application

6.38%

6.89%

7.63%

8.03%

Source: Statistics Canada, Divorces 1992, Table 8, Catalogue No  84-213

That means that the non-enforceable marriage contract is broken in the vast majority of the cases by women that are bored or moving to greener pastures (of whom they had partaken all along), against the wishes of their husbands and fathers of their children — falsely-alleged or truly biological offspring of the alleged fathers or not (and we know that women freely lie about that, too, in very large numbers, but more about that farther down).

The StatCan statistics on divorce applications are born out almost exactly by the findings in the study "These Boots are Made for Walking: Why Wives File for Divorce," by Margaret F. Brinig and Douglas W. Allen. They identified that getting ownership and possession of kids, car, cash and castle is the main motivator for women to file for divorce. The biggest lure of all is the enticing ownership and possession of the kids that will ensure women a secure and steady income for whose dispensation they are accountable to no-one.

Moreover,

The Association of American Blood Banks found that in one year, out of more than 300,000 DNA tests for paternity, the men who were fingered as the fathers were not the natural fathers in about 30 percent of the cases.  Doesn't it make you wonder what the percentages will be if DNA testing for paternity is mandatory at the birth of every child?

The Association of American Blood Banks reports that for 310,490 DNA tests made for paternity in 2001, "of the cases reported 90,227 were reported as exclusions or a rate of 29.06% exclusions [i.e.: paternity was proven to be falsely alleged]." (Source: Annual Report Summary for Testing in 2001, prepared by the Parentage Testing Program Unit, October 2002, Association of American Blood Banks, Table 2 — PDF file, 129kB)

More parentage exclusion rates per AABB Annual Reports:

  1. Of 340,798 cases, 97,681 (28.7%) were reported as exclusions (Source, p. 3 of 51)
  2. Of 353,387 cases, 99,174 (28.06%) were reported as exclusions (Source, p. 3 of 53)
  3. Of 374,171 cases, 100,588 (26.68%) were reported as exclusions (Source p. 6 of 62)

The Family Research Institute identified, based on data from two large government surveys, that

"...about 2% of males and 44% of females who engaged in homosexuality, and also said that they had an "on-going sexual relationship" in the last year, were married! None of these married homosexuals reported having had sex with their spouse! Some of these are probably in 'shell marriages,' where two homosexuals marry for social cover but voluntarily do not have sex with each other. Others probably have mystified or troubled spouses (e.g., 'is there something wrong with me?').

Update 2008 08 03:

UK: 1 in 5 fathers wrongly identified as the father

Patrick Wintour, political editor, The Guardian, Friday August 1 2008

There is a term for that, "pathological liar".  Feminist women claim that they are "better" women than all others, and as they feed the data to the media that the media then dutifully publish, such as the data in the article in the BBC News item about marital fidelity, abuse and other miscreant behaviour by men directed at women, that makes the feminists the best, most prolific and most powerful liars of all. 

Of course, the feminists dominate, permeate, own and control the BBC and most, if not all, other news organizations.  That then makes those no better than the PRAVDA (Truth) during the regime of the USSR, or the Voelkischer Beobachter under Hitler. 

I grew up in Germany, before, during and after the war, and the German communists did publish the equivalent of the PRAVDA there after the war.  Unimaginative as they are (just as their disciples, the feminists, but why fix things that aren't broken and work well), they called it, "Die Wahrheit" (The Truth).

Fortunately the paper never became popular, even though it continually called for the implementation of "free love", which we today call "sexual freedom".  Their party soon no longer met admission standards for the Bundestag, as it in short order received less than the required 1.5 percent of the popular vote in elections.  It is too bad that we never got the chance to decide whether we wanted to vote the feminists into power, but democracy is a foreign concept to them, as foreign as communism is to normal mortals, although normal mortals now live under communism in disguise, with the vast majority of them being blissfully unaware of that. 

I don't know whether the German communists ceased publishing their paper.  Still, it was a good thing that the communists vanished, because they were as disruptive an influence in the Bundestag as surely as the redfems are disruptive and deconstructive in discussions on gender issues and the politics of sex when anyone but they wishes to express an opinion.

feminist logic: It's not fascism when we do it!The communist traditions, ideology and tactics got imported into many countries in the West and were transformed into radical feminism *, which is why we are now routinely being lied to by the media, especially by organizations like the BBC and the CBC. (* If the term "radical feminism" (a.k.a. Marxist- or socialist-feminism) is somewhat new to you, you need to expand your knowledge.  After all, radical feminism, the currently controlling faction of feminism, governs just about everything that is happening in your life.  See,

Carey Roberts column

Carey Roberts is an analyst and commentator on political correctness. His best-known work is an exposé on Marxism and the roots of radical feminism.

Carey Roberts' best-known work, his exposé on Marxism and the roots of radical feminism, is not necessarily easy to find, but this link will help with that. (Some of the URLs for the article series appear to keep changing.  For that reason the identified link leads to an Internet search for the series.  The first or second link in the return list will most likely lead you to the series.)



On account of communism having been transformed and being in drag — in the cloak of feminism — the target of communism's class warfare has been changed as well.  At least ostensibly, communism/feminism no longer targets capitalism for systematic destruction.  It targets instead one half (actually a little less, about 48 percent) of humanity, the male portion of humanity. 

All of that changes the fundamental goal of communism as expressed and identified by Marx and Engels not a bit.  The ultimate target of communism's wrath is the traditional nuclear family.  That needs to be destroyed, so that out of the resulting rubble and ruins of civilization we can construct a better and greater, socialist, totalitarian global state, the global gynarchia.

The tearing down of all traditional social institutions is coming along quite nicely, with all of the desired results, and with a few surprising ones.  In consequence of major social surgery like that, the western civilization is dying and doesn't have much longer to live.  I suppose that the rest of the world will be all right.  That will quite likely be taken over by Islam, but if the feminists have their way, that won't happen.  They are still working on that.  However, once the West is gone, feminism will no longer have the funding required to carry out its global conquest.

So, whether we like it or not, even though the West doesn't care that it will die, there are others that want to live; and they will do their best to hurry along what the feminists almost finished, the death of the West.  It's a question of survival for those others.  They don't wish to be dragged down with us.  Therefore some of them do their best to help the feminists drag us down first.

--Walter

Update 2008 05 08:

 Men are more visually aroused than women? Fact or fiction?
Research Shows Men And Women Look At Sexual Photographs Differently

(http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/67705.php, 17 Apr 2007 - 8:00 PDT)

A study funded by the Atlanta-based Center for Behavioral Neuroscience (CBN) analyzed the viewing patterns of men and women looking at sexual photographs, and the result was not what one typically might expect. (Full Story)
 

Peter wrote:

"Walter H. Schneider" <.....> wrote:
Peter, Do you have references for the GEWIS study? Walter
I saw it reported in Reuters Health list under the heading 'Cheating women catching up on men' on 18th June 2003.

The other study was reported in New Scientist (for those outside the UK who don't know it, New Scientist is a left wing general science journal):

Fake lie-detector reveals women's sex lies

14:16 14 July 03
NewScientist.com news service

Women are more likely than men to lie about their sex lives, reveals a new study. Women's coyness about their sexual behaviour was unveiled by a US study involving a fake lie detector test.

In surveys since the 1960s, men typically report having more sexual partners and than do women - a statistically impossible feat. For example, British men boast an average of 13 partners over a lifetime compared with an average of nine partners for women.

Scientists previously explained this anomaly by suggesting men were exaggerating their tally, while women were understating their total. But now Terri Fisher at Ohio State University and Michele Alexander at the University of Maine suggest that men are in fact more truthful in such surveys.

Women change their answers depending on whether or not they believe they will be caught out not telling the truth, the researchers found. The number of sexual partners a woman reported nearly doubled when women thought they were hooked up to a lie detector machine.

"Women are more sensitive to social expectations for their sexual behaviour and may be less than honest when asked about their behaviour in some survey conditions," says Fisher, a psychologist. She says women appeared to feel under pressure to meet expectations of being more relationship-orientated and not promiscuous.

Completely anonymous

Fisher and Alexander surveyed over 200 unmarried, heterosexual college students aged 18 to 25.

One group filled in questionnaires having been told the researcher might view their responses. A second group filled in the survey completely anonymously, alone in a room.

A third group had electrodes placed on their hand, forearms and neck and were told they were being attached to a polygraph or lie detector machine - although there was in fact no working machine.

Women who thought their responses might be read said they had had an average of 2.6 sexual partners, compared with 3.4 partners for those who thought their answers were anonymous. But those who thought they would be caught out by the polygraph reported an average of 4.4 partners.

In contrast, men's answers did not vary significantly. Those attached to the lie-detector reported an average of 4.0 partners compared with 3.7 for men who thought their answers would be read.

The researchers think the results explain the previously reported differences in men and women's sexual behaviour, with women being afraid of getting labelled as "whores".

"We live in a culture that really does expect a different pattern of sexual behaviour from women than it does from men," says Fisher.

Journal reference: Journal of Sex Research : (vol 40, p 27)

The following is the article that triggered the discussion:

Link to article

BBC News
23 January 2005

Affairs 'main reason for divorce'

The number of divorces caused by family strains rose in 2004

Extra-marital affairs are still the number one reason for divorces, a new survey has revealed.

But family strains and emotional or physical abuse have shown significant increases as other causes, the survey of UK matrimonial lawyers showed.

Adulterous behaviour accounted for 27% of all cases in 2004, down from a total of 29% in the previous year.

The survey also found that 13% of marriages in 2004 ended because of mid-life crises.

'Co-operative'

The number of divorces caused by family strains rose from 11% in 2003 to 18% while the figure for emotional or physical abuse rose from 10% to 17%.

Toni Pincott, a matrimonial expert with Grant Thornton's forensic practice which conducted the survey, said: "Divorce is becoming much more co-operative than it ever was with very few divorces now ending up in court.

"According to our survey's results, the first five years of any marriage is pretty much divorce-free and if the union lasts beyond 20 it looks set for life."

In divorces triggered by extra-marital affairs, men were three times more likely to be adulterous than women while 78% of those which were the result of family strains involved the families of women compared to 12% involving men's.

The survey found that, 93% of the time, it was women who had petitioned for divorce.

And in 2004, women achieved a better or considerably better settlement than men 60% of the time.

Pre-nuptial agreements continued to increase in popularity with more than 98% of matrimonial lawyers reporting higher or similar demand for these services than in the previous year.

---

MAIN REASONS FOR DIVORCE 2004

- Extra-marital affair - 27%
- Family strains - 18%
- Abuse - 17%
- Mid-life crisis - 13%
- Addictions - 6%
- Workaholism - 6%

Source: Grant Thornton

---

SEE ALSO:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4192601.stm
Benefits 'encourage separation'
21 Jan 05 | UK

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3912311.stm
Equal parenting rights rejected
21 Jul 04

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3913395.stm
Divorce: How it affects children
21 Jul 04

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3906139.stm
Scheme to help divorcing parents
19 Jul 04

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3902457.stm
Plans for fairer parental access
17 Jul 04


The PR experts working to promote the feminist propaganda campaign to destroy our families did their job well.  A number of other newspapers carried the story.

Link to story

Scotland on Sunday
23 January 2005

It's not just the stars who have X factor in divorces

By Eddie Barnes

The philandering of celebrities can be viewed as something distant from reality but new research has shown that adulterous husbands and wives are by far the main cause of Britain's record-high rates of divorce.

A poll of the UK's matrimonial lawyers found that suburban versions of the lives of Noel Gallagher and Meg Matthews are played out across Britain.

Despite the continuing appeal of marriage to most Britons, 27% of divorces were caused by extra-marital affairs. With 10,500 divorces taking place in Scotland every year, it suggests that around 2,800 affairs are to blame for marriage break-ups.

Unsurprisingly, the survey found that George Best was not alone, with husbands three times as likely as their wives to cheat, accounting for 75% of divorces caused by adultery.

And contrary to popular belief in the seven-year-itch, the study concluded that marriages are at their most vulnerable between the 10th and 15th year, when more than 50% of divorces occur.

While adultery is the largest reason for divorce, the survey, by Grant Thornton's Forensic Practice, found that other causes - including the stress of having to cope with in-laws - were becoming more widespread.

Those who cited strains within the extended families as the reason for divorce rose from 11% to 18% in the last year.

Within that category, the wife's family were cited as the core reason in 78% of cases, perhaps indicating that the caricature of the interfering mother-in-law still holds water.

More worryingly, the survey revealed that emotional or physical abuse caused 17% of marriage breakdowns last year - also up on the 2003 figure of 10%.

Other major factors leading to divorce included mid-life crisis (13%), workaholism (6%) and addictions such as alcoholism and gambling (6%).

The survey also found that fewer divorces now end up in court, with bickering partners more likely to settle rather than face a lengthy legal battle.

A spokeswoman for Relate, the counselling service for married couples, agreed last night that adultery in modern Britain was as strong as ever.

She said: "More and more people are coming to us reporting affairs, although not every case always ends in divorce and many couples manage to come through and continue their relationship." But, she added, modern marriages were coming under strain from a whole range of different pressures.

"There is the strain of increasing numbers of people working away from home. There are problems when it comes to finding a school for children, especially if good schools are over-subscribed. Then there is the issue about working parents and who does what, when and how. Even when there is one partner at home looking after the children, divorces occur because that is not valued," she said.

"We have to recognise the increasing complexity of families. If you have a family with its own set of beliefs trying to integrate with another family with its own set of beliefs, there is bound to be a rub.  We have to start looking at how to manage and integrate different beliefs into a relationship," she added.

In Scotland, divorce rates rose from 4,812 in 1971, to a high of 13,133 in 1994. It has now fallen back slightly, and stood at 10,484 in 2003.

Thomas Millar, a family law specialist and partner at John Henderson & Sons in Dumfries, said divorce rates had remained consistently high in recent years north of the Border.

"There probably hasn't been much change over the last four or five years but people are much more aware of the option. One in three marriages now end in divorce," he said.

While adultery is still blamed for many divorces, the increase in the divorce rate is also put down to the welcome rise in awareness among women who suffer domestic abuse.

Millar said: "People now know that they can do more about it, rather than just putting up with it. That has made a difference," he said.

Toni Pincott, a matrimonial expert in financial settlements with Grant Thornton, said the survey had thrown up a revealing insight into when marriages were at their most vulnerable.

"According to our survey's results, 53% of all divorces tend to occur in marriages lasting between 10 and 15 years with a further 40% ending earlier, between five and 10 years.

"The first five years of any marriage is pretty much divorce-free and if the union lasts beyond 20 years it looks set for life," she added.

Among other findings, the survey discovered that in the vast majority of cases (93% of the time) it is the women who petition for divorce.

Women achieved a better or considerably better settlement than men 60% of the time.
 


Link to story

Gulf Daily News (Bahrain)
23 January 2005
Vol XXVII NO. 309

Affairs the main cause for divorce

London: Adultery remains the major cause of divorce in Britain, according to a survey published yesterday.

However, "family strains" and emotional and physical abuse have shown a significant increase as the cause of relationship breakdowns, the survey of matrimonial lawyers concluded.

Adulterous behaviour was cited as the reason for 27 per cent of all divorces in 2004, according to the survey. The figure is slightly down from 29% in 2003.

However, the number of divorces caused by "family strains" has risen from 11% to 18% over the same period, the survey found.

The survey also revealed that emotional or physical abuse caused 17% of marriage breakdowns last year, up on the 2003 figure of 10%.

The figures come from a survey conducted among British matrimonial lawyers by Grant Thornton's Forensic Practice.

Toni Pincott, a matrimonial expert in financial settlements with Grant Thornton, said: "Divorce is becoming much more co-operative than it ever was with very few divorces now ending up in court.

"According to our survey's results, 53% of all divorces tend to occur in marriages lasting between 10 and 15 years with a further 40% ending earlier, between five and 10 years.

"The first five years of any marriage is pretty much divorce-free and if the union lasts beyond 20 it looks set for life," Pincott added.

Other major factors leading to divorce included mid-life crisis (13%), workaholism (6%) and addictions such as alcoholism and gambling (6%) also featured strongly.

The survey found that in divorces triggered by extra-marital affairs, men were three times more likely to be the adulterous party.

Divorces as a result of family strains tend to involve the families of women (78% of cases).

In 93 percent of cases, it is wives who petition for divorce.

There is a bit of a problem with the articles, and as well with the survey they report on. I doubt it very much that the Brits are more violent than the Americans, Canadians or people anywhere else in the world; and what Sanford Braver found in his study was vastly different.

It has to be established whether or not the data used in either set of results is based on facts or allegations. Sanford Braver recognized that problem and relied on reporting by both parties. He did not estimate where the truth was between the two different sets of answers, he showed the answers by both sides.

I haven't got Sanford Braver's book handy.  It got lent out and hasn't found its way back yet. It had a similar but somewhat longer table than that in the article by the BBC, and that table in Sanford Braver's book, if my memory doesn't fail me, identified that violence was the cause in six or fewer percent of the divorces, with the primary cause of divorce being nothing more than that women were bored with the marriages they said they would keep alive and well until death.

At any rate, without knowing what the figures are based on in the propaganda campaign that the feminists launched with the active participation of the BBC and other news organizations, we have to assume that all of the numbers are based on allegations.   Allegations in such issues, especially those made by women, are notoriously false in a very large number of the cases. (98% to 99% of allegations of rape are false — The Rape of Statistics)

Now, as to abuse, what was the definition of abuse? Did the woman say he abused her or did the man say he did (or she did)?  The feminists enormously expanded the definition of abuse, so that anything that displeases a woman can now be alleged by her in a court of law as a valid claim of abuse having taken place.  Yes, even if a woman perceives and imagines that her husband is giving her the silent treatment or that he works too many hours in attempts to cover her gambling debts, that can be claimed to be abuse and lead to the dissolution of a marriage.  Sanford Braver found marked differences in the answers to questions pertaining to divorce issues and causes of divorce, depending on who gave the answer, man or woman. Women have specifically a bad memory when it comes to remembering how much child support they received, but that is a topic that belongs into a different scope of discussion.

On the other hand, and that goes back to causes of divorce, men have a particularly hard time remembering that they have been abused. So, if 17 percent of divorces in the UK were caused by abuse, it must have been women who remembered that, and then it must be true beyond any reasonable doubt because women don't lie, right?

Sanford Braver must have had it all wrong. Yeah, sure...

Here is a puzzle: If paternity tests (based on DNA analysis) are negative in thirty percent of the cases tested (in about 20 percent of individual children born into ostensibly stable and monogamous marriages), and if sexual intercourse seldom results in a pregnancy on the first try and most likely only when the woman is at the peak of her estrus, and rarely at all if birth control methods were used, what is the incidence rate of marital infidelity to cause it to be given as the reason for divorce in 27 percent of divorces?

Here is another puzzle: If men are on average three times more likely to stray than women are (which is contrary to my observations in humans and sheep alike, because it is usually the women, or ewes, that go after a bit, and women more often than men have the time to do it in), who is the lucky woman, and does she have trouble sitting down without pain?

Walter

__________________
See also:

  • The Scotsman, Scotland's National Newspaper
    96% of women are liars, honest

    By EDWARD BLACK, December 9th, 2004

    NINETEEN out of 20 women admit lying to their partners or husbands, a survey on attitudes to truth and relationships has found.

    Eighty-three per cent owned up to telling "big, life-changing lies", with 13 per cent saying they did so frequently.

    Half said that if they became pregnant by another man but wanted to stay with their partner, they would lie about the baby's real father.

    Forty-two per cent would lie about contraception in order to get pregnant, no matter the wishes of their partner.

    And an alarming 31 per cent said they would not tell a future partner if they had a sexual disease: this rises to 65 per cent among single women....(Full Story)
     
  • Conrad Black's opinion about journalists

That opinion quite well fits the journalists at the BBC and at other news organizations that help to spread feminist propaganda without critically examining it.  That, too, is a form of prostitution and lying, It does nothing to further the credibility of such organizations.

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Posted 2005 01 24
Updates:
2010 12 22 (added link to 96% of women are liars, honest)